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Post by Cal » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:44 pm

£429 £399. Unpopular DRM is gone, discs and digital work as they did on Xbox 360, except now region-free too. 22nd November.
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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Cal » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:45 am

Just went through the slideshow and it's got some good stuff in it. Would be great if it does turn out to be real, and a good vision of where the future of consoles and living room entertainment may go.

Also <wenger> for no one else replying.

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Mifune » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:47 am

Cal wrote:Just went through the slideshow and it's got some good stuff in it. Would be great if it does turn out to be real, and a good vision of where the future of consoles and living room entertainment may go.

Also <wenger> for no one else replying.
I have not read the slideshow yet and now it is gone. :(

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Cal » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:52 am

So it is. And I closed the tab. <wah> Knew I should have downloaded it... There are some good write-ups of the contents available.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/16/30909 ... leak-rumor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsofts-xbo ... ked-online" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405922,00.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also the company that requested its removal is a law firm which represents Microsoft.

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Mifune » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:02 am

Cal wrote:So it is. And I closed the tab. <wah> Knew I should have downloaded it... There are some good write-ups of the contents available.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/16/30909 ... leak-rumor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.wpcentral.com/microsofts-xbo ... ked-online" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2405922,00.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Also the company that requested its removal is a law firm which represents Microsoft.
Seems like it could be legit then.

Like the idea of the "one box for all entertainment" thing, with it including Blu-ray player and being able to record tv and everything. Not that bothered about Kinect though, and I do not think 3D will really be worthwhile until you do not have to wear glasses for it. Was hoping it would be more than x6 more powerful than the 360 as well considering it will be 8 years newer and will have to last for another 8-10 years.

Interesting to see the direction where gaming is going though.

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Cal » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:12 pm

http://www.gametrailers.com/side-missio ... ymous-dev/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
New Xbox Design Document Is Legit, According to Anonymous Dev

But only in the broad strokes, not in the finer details.

Recently, a 56 page document allegedly detailing everything about Durango was leaked to the Internet. Microsoft acted quickly with takedown notices, which lended it some authenticity. Now we've got word from a developer actually working on a game that it's legitimate.

A lot of what you see in there ties with design docs here and other studios working with Microsoft. Some of the hardware specs are… odd, completely not what we're looking at, and there are other things in there (haptic controller?!) that I haven't heard about.

The document essentially details Microsoft's plans and how Durango would fit into their other technologies. For example, Durango would be designed to be a DVR: you could play games while in the background it records live TV for later viewing.

There are also interesting details such as "Kinect Glasses", similar to Google's Google Glass project; a processor built into the machine specifically for backwards compatibility; and the ability to use two Kinects for four player games.

Since the document is two years old, some specifications may have changed and some ideas may have been dropped. For example, the haptic controllers mentioned in the quote have likely been replaced by SmartGlass. But it offers some insight as to what Microsoft may be thinking for the next generation.

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by krully » Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:38 pm

looks dumb

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:34 am

Updated OP with new information.
Leon Bessi wrote:looks dumb
Great insight. <ok>

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Re: 'Leaked' Xbox Roadmap / Potential 720 News

Post by Tsi » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:37 am

Demba Blaster wrote:looks dumb

http://toonforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2765

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:32 pm

Microsoft Windows general manager Brian Hall is probably going to get a talk from his bosses about a comment he made on a recent podcast. Hall said a new Xbox is on the way.

"We've operated Hotmail for about 16 years, we obviously have Exchange and Outlook that people use at work, and we just decided it was time to do something new and bring the best from each of those and put them together and release it right in time for the new wave of products that we have coming out with Windows 8, with the new version of Office, with the New Windows Phone and the new Xbox," he said on The Verge.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch ... -xbox.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:58 am

'Xbox 720' could be delayed past the expected September 2013 release by production problems.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/yields-c ... 13-launch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Microsoft will have to solve a major tech headache if it wishes to hit its planned September 2013 launch for the Xbox 720, if new reports are to be believed.

Tech site SemiAccurate reports that a chip designed for use in the console, dubbed ‘Oban’, is providing lower-than-usual yields. (Manufacturing microchips is notoriously unreliable. The yield is the number of production units that are functional. Newer tech can sometimes suffer from higher failure rates and, in some instances, prove to be uneconomical).

Oban yields are being described as “worse than painfully low”. Microsoft has even outsourced production to three separate factories in the hope that one will strike upon some sort of magic formula to improve the situation.

Microsoft current launch schedule is said to be able to accommodate a six to eight week delay, but anything beyond that could force the company to alter its plans.

And what is this release date? September 2013, according to SemiAccurate. And the site adds that if it were to slip, heads would most certainly roll.

There are also details about the Xbox 720’s innards. The CPU is apparently, as rumoured, an AMD x86. However, the GPU seems to have undergone an upgrade from the last reports we heard, and is now based on AMD’s HD7000, though it has been specifically tweaked by Microsoft for its machine.

AMD is also believed to be supplying the CPU and GPU for PS4.

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by krully » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:50 pm

Cal wrote:'Xbox 720' could be delayed past the expected September 2013 release by production problems.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/yields-c ... 13-launch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Microsoft will have to solve a major tech headache if it wishes to hit its planned September 2013 launch for the Xbox 720, if new reports are to be believed.

Tech site SemiAccurate reports that a chip designed for use in the console, dubbed ‘Oban’, is providing lower-than-usual yields. (Manufacturing microchips is notoriously unreliable. The yield is the number of production units that are functional. Newer tech can sometimes suffer from higher failure rates and, in some instances, prove to be uneconomical).

Oban yields are being described as “worse than painfully low”. Microsoft has even outsourced production to three separate factories in the hope that one will strike upon some sort of magic formula to improve the situation.

Microsoft current launch schedule is said to be able to accommodate a six to eight week delay, but anything beyond that could force the company to alter its plans.

And what is this release date? September 2013, according to SemiAccurate. And the site adds that if it were to slip, heads would most certainly roll.

There are also details about the Xbox 720’s innards. The CPU is apparently, as rumoured, an AMD x86. However, the GPU seems to have undergone an upgrade from the last reports we heard, and is now based on AMD’s HD7000, though it has been specifically tweaked by Microsoft for its machine.

AMD is also believed to be supplying the CPU and GPU for PS4.
laymans terms? <laugh>

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:51 pm

Demba Blaster wrote:
Cal wrote:'Xbox 720' could be delayed past the expected September 2013 release by production problems.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/yields-c ... 13-launch/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
laymans terms? <laugh>
'Xbox 720' could be delayed past the expected September 2013 release by production problems.

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Post by Mifune » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:57 pm

<laugh>

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Post by Ramone » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:00 pm

That bit about chip production is quite interesting, probably explains why so many of the original 360s died.
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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:37 pm

7000 <neg>

Perhaps the June leak wasn't as crazy as it looked...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/36 ... ironments/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Microsoft's R&D division is working on a landmark display technology that will project a full 3D game environment across the walls of player's bedrooms and living areas, a new patent filing shows.

A breakthrough device, known in the patent as an "environmental display", will project 360-degree game worlds across all four walls of a room using advanced projection technology.

Crucially, the device will also boast a 3D depth camera, which it appears can calculate the player's position by emitting infrared light patterns and registering where the player is blocking the signal. This is a similar technique used for Kinect.

But the patent suggests further immersion with the use of Kinect's 3D camera, which can separately calculate the posture and various movements of the player.
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It is stated in the patent that the tech will tie into the rumoured Kinect Glasses technology that leaked in June [CVG's full analysis of that tech can be found here].

Microsoft's shutter 3D glasses are suspected to work with Kinect, with the camera registering where the player is looking by sending signals to the glasses - much in the same way a Wii knows how its remote is positioned using signals sent to the sensor bar.

The possibilities for the combined technologies are unlike anything seen before in interactive entertainment. Players could feasibly fill their rooms with full 360-degree displays, interact with a game world not just on their TV but across the walls around them, and observe 3D holograms within the room through the Kinect Glasses.

The combined devices will, in theory, will provide the most sophisticated tracking data on where the player is standing and looking.
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The new patent, unearthed by Patently Apple, quotes the Microsoft document as working on "an immersive display environment is provided to a human user by projecting a peripheral image onto environmental surfaces around the user. The peripheral images serve as an extension to a primary image displayed on a primary display."

Microsoft said that "the user may enjoy an immersive 3-D experience using suitable headgear, such as active shutter glasses configured to operate in synchronization with suitable alternate-frame image sequencing at primary display and environmental display."

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Post by Dr. Bishop » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:44 pm

That would be awesome <awe>, can see it costing an arm and a leg though.
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Post by krully » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:25 pm

Voluptuous Vuckic wrote:That would be awesome <awe>, can see it costing an arm and a leg though.
usual opening day prices are 450 euro plus, they'll have to keep it around that otherwise it'll tank on opening day and theyll end up making a loss.

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Re: 'Xbox 720' Thread

Post by Cal » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:15 pm

Xbox World have made the main feature of their second last issue an 'Xbox 720 exposé'. Ignore any pictures you see, those are their own artistic impressions of what it could look like, although they don't make that clear unless you read the magazine itself (or otherwise obtain it <whistle>).

They speculate that it will almost certainly simply be called 'Xbox', because who cares about logical or sequential naming any more? Basically 'let's copy Apple and reuse the same name for each iteration of hardware'.

Moving away from speculation, they claim that "everything else you're about to read has come from industry experts and Microsoft's own leaky boat. The next Xbox will hit shelves in November 2013." and "unless something really dramatic changes, everything you see here will be revealed long before June's E3 conference, at Microsoft's annual 'X' showcase in February or March next year."

They cite Kinect Sports 3 (Rare), Destiny (Bungie Studios), Fable MMO (Lionhead), Halo 5 (343), Battlefield 4 (DICE) and Forza 5 (Turn 10) as being in development for the system. Although there aren't really any surprises there, apart from perhaps the Fable MMO.

01 - Massive Power
- 16 Core CPU (4 physical each with 4 logical cores)
- ~3.2GHz Clock Speed
- NVIDIA guy expects; Massive increases in cache speed/size and number of transistors in a smaller die size with similar or better power efficiency than 360

02 - Putting the Power to Work
Naturalmotion guy (as in GTA: IV's Euphoria engine creator):
- Better simulation, physics, all around fidelity
- More complex characters, interactions, animations leading to increased believability
- Better environment interaction and destruction

03 - Kinect 2.0
- Tracks up to 4 players, can track minute finger movements
- Can couple with pico projector to turn any surface into an interactive touchscreen ('Omnitouch')

04 - Augmented Reality
- Take the previous point and chuck in AR glasses
- Planned for 2014

05 - 3D Sound
- 10cm x 20cm x 1cm directional speaker bar
- Combined with Kinect head-tracking where you look/move affects what you hear
- Directional sound with minimal leakage = Only the intended player(s) can hear the audio

06 - Blu-Ray & Beyond
- Blu-Ray player, up to 50GB single discs
- Modern BR drives have considerably faster seek times than in PS3; no need to duplicate data to make it load faster
- Possibility of Slim Xbox in 2015 with no optical drive at all

07 - DirectX 11
- Adaptive tessellation <awe> (wizardry which dynamically increases/decreases model topology density to increase/decrease detail without distortion according to how prominent the model is)
- Look at Epic's Samaritan UE4 demo, that.
- Greatly improved lighting, anti-aliasing, texture sizes
(Personally I'd expect/like DX12, since that's a Windows 8 exclusive it'd be nice to see equality across the platforms on that front, DX11 is relatively old news on PC)

08 - A New Microsoft
- They're going to try to be less dickish and more Valve-ish
- Remove/reduce patch costs and certification times

09 - Next Generation Controls
This one is pretty much entirely speculation from a Razer guy
- Prototyping ongoing
- Programmable buttons? Save your preferences to account/controller, e.g. inverted sticks, leftie config, melee button preference; no pissing around in menus when you start playing
- Touchscreen?

10 - Cloud Gaming
- Had planned to acquire Onlive before they went bust, now trying to cherry-pick the talent
- Cloud gaming across Windows devices (Xbox, phones, tablets, PC, etc)

11 - Live 3.0 - New User Features
- Integration across Windows environment (already beginning with W8/WP7)
- Remove 100 friend cap
- Better social networking integration <erk>

12 - Total Multimedia
- Further integration of W8/WP8 and media playback
- Skype with Kinect to be pitched as competitor to FaceTime
- Xbox Music to challenge iTunes, Spotify, Amazon MP3 Store, etc
- Xbox SmartGlass integration from the ground-up

13 - The User Interface
- More refined Metro style UI
- Consistent with Windows Phone and Windows 8

14 - Always-On Gaming
- The snappiness of smartphones or changing TV channels, but in your console
- Pre-loaded games, minimal load times
- Low power state and ready to go on demand

I might as well have just posted scans. <grim>

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Post by Nick » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:29 pm

Sounds pretty interesting. I'll probably stick with Xbox again, rather than jump to PS.

Might wait until the slim is out though, depending on the size of this beast...

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