Tottenham Hotspur 4 - 0 Newcastle Utd (LC) - 17/12/14

by **Heisen** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:09 pm

Alnwick, from what I've seen from him (and I've watched U21 games aswell) does not look as if he has even the bare essentials necessary to be a top PL goalkeeper. By all means, he may make it in League One or Two, but he lacks some pretty basic stuff. Having said that, you can't crucify the kid for wanting to play. I wouldn't make it at any level whatsoever, but if Pardew rang me today and asked me to play tomorrow, I would.

We need to back him when he's in goal, otherwise he will completely fall apart. He has been chucked in at the deep end and he will probably know deep down that he's not good enough here - people hardly fell over themselves to rate the kid when he was third/fourth choice (in comparison to Woodman, who everybody seems to think is a shining star). We just need to hope he has learnt from the mistakes he made on Wednesday and does the basic stuff right.

by **cbrad NUFC** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 9:43 pm

Colly wrote:He wanted to play football? Burn the prick.

Thought was Pardew actually said was 'Alnwick was knocking on my door asking why he hadn't been loaned out.'

by **Colly** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:57 pm

He wanted to play football? Burn the prick.

by **Duke** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:51 pm

Goat wrote:There's no evidence that Alnwick was 'banging on the door' asking for a chance. He might have been scared and not felt ready but had no choice due to injuries. However, if he gets called up, he's obviously not going to disobey the manager and reject his request.

If you're 3rd or 4th choice keeper, you have to expect to be called up in times of need otherwise there's no point in being at the club.

Well Pardew mentioned than Alnwick said the club had 'let him down' by not sending him out on loan or something, and that he wanted first team football.

by **Colly** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:46 pm

If he asked me to go in goal I'd do it. Can't attach any blame to Alnwick for wanting to play. Jesus.

by **Goat** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:20 pm

There's no evidence that Alnwick was 'banging on the door' asking for a chance. He might have been scared and not felt ready but had no choice due to injuries. However, if he gets called up, he's obviously not going to disobey the manager and reject his request.

If you're 3rd or 4th choice keeper, you have to expect to be called up in times of need otherwise there's no point in being at the club.

by **ALF** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:11 pm

Why did Ferguson not make the bench with our squad so depleted?

by **Cal** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:39 pm

And to be fair, the best time to be knocking on the manager's door as a young keeper is when your competition is weak/injured.

by **Remember Colo** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:31 pm

Micky Quim wrote:
Cheik the room wrote:Just rewatched the highlights and it has filled me with fury at Jak Alnwick. I don't understand people defending him saying the poor bloke has been forced in when he's not ready, this cronut was banging on Pardew's door demanding a chance, the fucktarded spunkbucket. He should hang his head on shame and I hope he never has the balls to ask to play again once our keeper's are back fit/we bring in a new goalie. Useless hipster beard bellend.
Thats a bit brutal CTR. Every footballer is going to banging on the gaffers door for a game. Its only natural. He did f*** up last night, but he wasn't ridiculously bad. He did pull off some decent saves, but needs more practice at this level which will only take time on the pitch

I'm a little late to this, but I agree. Any footballer, or especially keeper who doesn't suggest to his manager that he wants to play may as well pack his boots up and start a 9-5 job. I've read CTR's reply post suggesting that Alnwick is so "cocksure", but considering you don't know the kid, and that's based on a few random stories about him wanting in the side, I don't see the point in personal accusations.
People get too wound up about athletes being confident, when that's just part and parcel of being one in remote proximity of a high level. If you're not confident and believing in yourself, you'll never cut it in a higher level - it'll eat you alive. Regardless of how he performed, I want players wanting to play, especially seeing as he's one who has been thrust into playing anyway. He'd be performing even worse if when he got forced into playing he didn't think he was good enough to.

by **ALF** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:41 pm

I don't see overreacting after a defeat. I maintain what I said during the good run, we still didn't look convincing. We're a terrible side more often than not. We get as many good results against good sides as against bad sides because we just sit and hope we can survive wave after wave of attack before sneaking a goal on the counter.

It's a pathetic, negative game plan and wastes any talented players we have. Pardew needs to go.

by **Ramone** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:22 pm

Donkey Toon wrote:Fully expecting to get slated for this but here goes anyway.

I think some people are missing the fundamental point of sombrero's comments. Compared to much of our recent history the club and therefore the fans are having it good. Does that mean we shouldn't moan at two heavy defeats on the bounce. No it doesn't. But does it give us justification to go completely over the top like some fans do on here every single f***ing time we lose a game. Again no.

As far as i'm concerned supporting a team isn't about winning because no team has a divine right to win every game, or even any of them. You take the defeats with grace just as you take enjoy the victories with humility. If you want to win far more than you lose then pick one of the most successful teams at the time and then switch to another when the bad times come. If you chose to stick with a team through thick and thin then do it without throwing a hissy fit every time your team loses.

We've been s*** for a while now and there are no signs of us really improving. We have spells of good results but then we get games like the last two where we look passionless and talentless. It's extremely frustrating to watch as a fan and I don't blame anyone for giving up.

The fact that whenever we go on a little run the Pardew defenders come out of the woodwork and say something f***ing stupid like "I don't see you complaining now" doesn't help either. Of course they quickly retreat when he shows off his incompetence again.

On your last point, of course football is about watching your team play well and win. The reason you stick with them is because they're your team, either through choice or (un)fortunate circumstances. Personally I couldn't just pick a team and decide to support them because I just wouldn't care.

by **TJR** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:27 pm

Cheik the room wrote:
Colly wrote:NUFC.com are reporting the turnstiles stayed shut due to a flare/smoke bomb being let off by away fans, so I think we (I.e. the twats who think those things are funny) need to shoulder some of the blame for that.
This is partially true, however the flare was let off literally 5 yards away from me, and no one in side was panicking or running, people hardly moved. There was no danger to anyone. Shutting all the turnstiles until every last bit of the smoke had disappeared was an insane overreaction by the police. The bloke was arrested on the spot by the way.

This.

It would have been far safer to continue letting people in and walk through some smoke than trapping people outside, pushing them inside fences and causing a crush.

by **Cheik the room** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:21 pm

Colly wrote:NUFC.com are reporting the turnstiles stayed shut due to a flare/smoke bomb being let off by away fans, so I think we (I.e. the twats who think those things are funny) need to shoulder some of the blame for that.

This is partially true, however the flare was let off literally 5 yards away from me, and no one in side was panicking or running, people hardly moved. There was no danger to anyone. Shutting all the turnstiles until every last bit of the smoke had disappeared was an insane overreaction by the police. The bloke was arrested on the spot by the way.

by **cbrad NUFC** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:05 pm

Colly wrote:NUFC.com are reporting the turnstiles stayed shut due to a flare/smoke bomb being let off by away fans, so I think we (I.e. the twats who think those things are funny) need to shoulder some of the blame for that.

Sadly this is right. This is also a sad part of football fans in general, with fans of plenty of teams taking flares to away games. Only time I've known of any checks were this season when Chelsea v Arsenal was delayed earlier this season. The whole league needs to do more. Said fans should be banned though.

by **Colly** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:29 am

NUFC.com are reporting the turnstiles stayed shut due to a flare/smoke bomb being let off by away fans, so I think we (I.e. the twats who think those things are funny) need to shoulder some of the blame for that.

by **TJR** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:20 am

Aye Alnwick was horrific. First half I thought it was pretty even and it was just that howler from Alnwick that separated the sides. He should have saved the second as well, Krul would have got to that. After that the entire team just seemed to give up for the rest of the second half. After 3-0 I completely forgot there was a game on. I've been part of some great away ends before but that was just on another level. It was a brilliant atmosphere and our fans can be immensely proud of ourselves unlike the team.

THFC, Met Police and Spurs fans are all a f***ing disgrace. Only four fuckig turnstiles operating for 4000+ fans is a disgrace. Some couldn't even get in until half time. We left the Irish club half an hour before kick off and the game had just kicked off by the time we got in the ground. The police fencing people in and pushing crowds towards the turnstiles isn't on, has history not taught them what can happen when such ludicrous crowd control methods are used? Spurs fans are tossers as well, even the vile Aston Villa fans joined in with the applause for John and Liam on 17 minutes. Not Tottenham fans though.

by **Duke** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:11 am

Agree witn Alnwick being ludicrously s***

by **Cheik the room** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:09 am

Somebody's pinched my sombrero wrote:
People were on about not renewing season tickets because we've been beaten. .

Not one person said that.

by **Cheik the room** » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:09 am

Micky Quim wrote:
Cheik the room wrote:Just rewatched the highlights and it has filled me with fury at Jak Alnwick. I don't understand people defending him saying the poor bloke has been forced in when he's not ready, this cronut was banging on Pardew's door demanding a chance, the fucktarded spunkbucket. He should hang his head on shame and I hope he never has the balls to ask to play again once our keeper's are back fit/we bring in a new goalie. Useless hipster beard bellend.
Thats a bit brutal CTR. Every footballer is going to banging on the gaffers door for a game. Its only natural. He did **** up last night, but he wasn't ridiculously bad. He did pull off some decent saves, but needs more practice at this level which will only take time on the pitch

Fair enough if he wants to bang the manager's door down but if he then walks out on the pitch and monumentally fucks up the club he should accept both barrels. I'd be more understanding if he was just thrust in but by all accounts he's an incredibly cocksure person who thinks he should be playing week in week out.

by **Duke** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:44 pm

Ffs glen

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