Star-Lord Mehdi wrote:Carver would put the cones out incorrectly. NO thanks.

One cone by itself at one end of the pitch, the rest strewn randomly throughout the other end.

Carver would put the cones out incorrectly. NO thanks.

Goat wrote:

Toondes wrote:I would like to see how Carver would do with a fully fit squad.

s***.

People are acting like there's some sort of massive injury crisis. There's really not. He's been able to field at least one senior player in every position and fill up most of the bench with senior players too. It's not like half the team are from the youth squad.

Losing a few players does not and should not make you go from a mid-top level team to relegation candidates losing 6 games in a row.

You just need to look at the team play to see the problems. Completely lacking in confidence, unorganised and a lack of tactics and team play. A fully fit squad won't make much of a difference to that at all.

I know we're used to them but it has been a pretty bad injury crisis, especially given how thin our squad is. There's probably been times when we could have fielded a better team from our unavailable players than the ones Carver had at his disposal. Also a bad start meant he was always going to struggle - people always put our streakiness down to Pardew but it's pretty clear that we have a very mentally fragile squad. A couple of losses and their heads drop completely.

Holystone... wrote:

Colly wrote:I've no real problem with Carver remaining our new Terry Mac and putting the cones out.

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That's Carver's level so why the **** give him the responsibility of EPL survival???

I didn't appoint him!

I think as well as Carver's incompetence there is some accuracy about what Sir Les said today in the article on the Beeb - some players these days once they see 'caretaker' or 'until the end of the season' down tools. Look at the irresponsible behaviour on the pitch of players like Sissoko; players who have hardly voiced their commitment to the club and will be looking towards the summer as a way out. Colo the same.

Also, Philips made a comment on Goals on Sunday that really struck me. Asked about how they deal with players in the modern sense he said that it was very different to when he and his fellow guest (Vinnie Jones) were players and the way managers dealt with them was simple, but now the culture is different. Players are complex and have different characters etc. All I took from that was that the modern player is a total t*** - the game has become distanced from the fans due to the precious nature of the man-child nature of the modern footballer. It's become like education in the sense that the power is with the wrong people - you tiptoe around students like managers tiptoe around players.

The game is a mess. I have never felt so distanced from a Newcastle team in my entire life. I don't care about their perceived ability, give me a player who looks like they want to be at a club and care about the fans over these over paid nobodies any day. They can stick their 'I love the club blah blah' Tweets up their arse.

But Carver is still turd.

Toondes wrote:Yeah I'm not excusing him. I'm just saying I'd like to see how he would do with a full compliment to choose from. It might of been so different if he had started with a few wins. Not that I ever wanted him to get the job , but it would of been nice to win a few games what he was in charge in an interim capacity.

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A few wins might have been enough for Ashley to give him the gig. Best we tanked to eliminate this silly idea.

Toondes wrote:Yeah I'm not excusing him. I'm just saying I'd like to see how he would do with a full compliment to choose from. It might of been so different if he had started with a few wins. Not that I ever wanted him to get the job , but it would of been nice to win a few games what he was in charge in an interim capacity.

I'd be more sympathetic to him if he was just performing below average, because then some of the injuries and Cisse's suspension are fair excuses.

However, he's absolutely tanked. 6 losses in a row, 1 win in our last 10 games and a 12% win record. There's no excuse for that other than the man himself.

Yeah I'm not excusing him. I'm just saying I'd like to see how he would do with a full compliment to choose from. It might of been so different if he had started with a few wins. Not that I ever wanted him to get the job , but it would of been nice to win a few games what he was in charge in an interim capacity.

Toondes wrote:I would like to see how Carver would do with a fully fit squad.

s***.

People are acting like there's some sort of massive injury crisis. There's really not. He's been able to field at least one senior player in every position and fill up most of the bench with senior players too. It's not like half the team are from the youth squad.

Losing a few players does not and should not make you go from a mid-top level team to relegation candidates losing 6 games in a row.

You just need to look at the team play to see the problems. Completely lacking in confidence, unorganised and a lack of tactics and team play. A fully fit squad won't make much of a difference to that at all.

I would like to see how Carver would do with a fully fit squad.

Colly wrote:I've no real problem with Carver remaining our new Terry Mac and putting the cones out.

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That's Carver's level so why the f*** give him the responsibility of EPL survival???

My perspective on the current situation of six losses in a row is in our six game losing streak the teams we have lost to were:
Spurs (h)
Liverpool (a)
Sunderland (a)
Arsenal (h)
Everton (a)
Man Utd (h)
Whereas Pardew's was:
Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
Man Utd (h)
Stoke (a)
Swansea (h)
Arsenal (a)
This also included 3 losses of 3 or more goals, whereas we've only been truly embarrassed once under Carver.
We could only realistically expect points out of 2 games under Carver compared with 4 games under Pardew. Not that this is in any way a defence of the awful team selection under Carver, more a general rant about the smug pricks who say things like "bet you wish you still had Pardew."

Also I realise this doesn't fit in with the rest of the thread but f*** it.

We 100% need a new goalkeeping coach, someone who can actually get the best out of our very talented goalkeeper who is playing shocking at the moment

If McClaren came, maybe he'd bring Eric Steele with him, who is a Geordie!

Goat wrote:

Yacob wrote: I think he has come out and said that he has a contract as head coach until the end of the season, then his assistant manager contract kicks back in. The McClaren/Carver duo is probably what we will get next season as I'd imagine McClaren would be open to keeping Carver on. I think the Carver keeping the job rumours have some foundation to them, but it's probably the second choice of the boards if Derby go up.

I'm not massively phased by Carver staying on as a coach to be honest. It might sound crazy, but at the end of the day, the new manager will apply his own ethos and expect Carver to follow it. He certainly won't be allowed to just do his own thing.

I'm not against keeping him and Stone. I'd think that Woodman will be off to Palace. Even if we get a new manager, it's clear that we need some more coaches as well as the ones we currently have.

I've no real problem with Carver remaining our new Terry Mac and putting the cones out.

Yacob wrote:

Goat wrote:I personally wonder if Carver's contract has been renegotiated or even replaced. After all, he's went from assistant manager to interim manager, and it would make sound business sense to create a new contract based on that.

Considering how much Carver would have always jumped at the opportunity of managing the club himself, he may well have accepted those conditions.

I think he has come out and said that he has a contract as head coach until the end of the season, then his assistant manager contract kicks back in. The McClaren/Carver duo is probably what we will get next season as I'd imagine McClaren would be open to keeping Carver on. I think the Carver keeping the job rumours have some foundation to them, but it's probably the second choice of the boards if Derby go up.

I'm not massively phased by Carver staying on as a coach to be honest. It might sound crazy, but at the end of the day, the new manager will apply his own ethos and expect Carver to follow it. He certainly won't be allowed to just do his own thing.

Goat wrote:I personally wonder if Carver's contract has been renegotiated or even replaced. After all, he's went from assistant manager to interim manager, and it would make sound business sense to create a new contract based on that.

Considering how much Carver would have always jumped at the opportunity of managing the club himself, he may well have accepted those conditions.

I think he has come out and said that he has a contract as head coach until the end of the season, then his assistant manager contract kicks back in. The McClaren/Carver duo is probably what we will get next season as I'd imagine McClaren would be open to keeping Carver on. I think the Carver keeping the job rumours have some foundation to them, but it's probably the second choice of the boards if Derby go up.

I personally wonder if Carver's contract has been renegotiated or even replaced. After all, he's went from assistant manager to interim manager, and it would make sound business sense to create a new contract based on that.

Considering how much Carver would have always jumped at the opportunity of managing the club himself, he may well have accepted those conditions.

carver won't leave the club regardless who the manager / head coach is. A lot of our staff have very long contracts and fatty won't settle them early.

I think we may have a knight in shining armour in the form of the new Sky/BT cash. Ashley will need to up his game as everyone will have cash to splash exposing his penny pinching business model of cheap managers, untried talent, selling best talent and producing next to no youth quality. As for Carver, if you bring in a new guy, why would you keep a loser as coach?