by TJR » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:17 pm
CIH wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:01 pm
Don Sholeone wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:38 pm
I'd have concerns over Howe, Bournemouth looked awful last season when they got into the relegation scrap.
It does happen sometimes.
Someone football famous probably once said that you need to change the team or the manager every four or five years in order to be successful. Things stagnate. A good high profile example is Klopp at Dortmund. There's obviously issues now at all conquering Liverpool, but his final season at Dortmund the wheels properly fell off for whatever reason. Greater football minds than mine may be able to shed more light on it, but from the outside it just looked like the end of a good run. I think they weren't far off the relegation playoffs in the end.
As for Howe and Bournemouth, I think the same applies. He took them as far as he could, and he is arguably the greatest manager in that club's history. There's only so far a club can go without change, we can attest to that. As can Wigan after many a great escape, latterly under Martinez - the positive there obviously being the FA cup win. Bournemouth went down and Howe walked away in good grace, but they didn't significantly change the playing staff, and they didn't really change the backroom staff. They hired from within, with an inexperienced manager in Tindall, ultimately replacing him with an inexperienced Woodgate. I'd argue there's quite a few high level issues going on at that club that have nothing to do with Eddie Howe's tenure.
With him coming here, I've said plenty of times that I'd be all for it. My issue is whether he'd be willing to join the circus. I certainly can't think of a better manager that would be reasonable, realistic, and potentially interested. Even if we do stay up.
It was Sir Alex Ferguson who said that. He always made big changes to his Man Utd side every 5 years or so. Often even shipping out star plays. It worked and he was successful until the end.
As you mention, Klopp found that at Dortmund and Liverpool are now finding out the hard way as well (though the issues of covid e.g less transfers, more fixture congestion, lower tempo games etc have obviously also had a big impact). They probably need to replace at least two if not all 3 of Salah/Mane/Firmino to freshen things up. You'd think Klopp would have learnt from his Dortmund days.
The job Howe did at Bournemouth was incredible. He got them promoted well beyond there level. The stadium only holds 12,000, they're a league one club. He got them into the Premier League and kept them there for a number of years. They did need to freshen things up squad wise a bit more which was a mistake. Though I don't know how much of that was down to him and how much was down to the club. Also the transfer policy of signing below average English players for extortionate transfer fees contributed massively to the relegation. Again though that could be more down to the club than Howe.
I'd definitely take a chance on Howe. Though at the stage I'd take Carver back over Bruce. At least Howe might get us playing some better , more attacking football which will paper over some of the cracks until Ashley finally gets his wish and someone buys the club.
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I'd have concerns over Howe, Bournemouth looked awful last season when they got into the relegation scrap.
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It does happen sometimes. [b][u]Someone football famous probably once said that you need to change the team or the manager every four or five years in order to be successful. Things stagnate.[/u][/b] A good high profile example is Klopp at Dortmund. There's obviously issues now at all conquering Liverpool, but his final season at Dortmund the wheels properly fell off for whatever reason. Greater football minds than mine may be able to shed more light on it, but from the outside it just looked like the end of a good run. I think they weren't far off the relegation playoffs in the end.
As for Howe and Bournemouth, I think the same applies. He took them as far as he could, and he is arguably the greatest manager in that club's history. There's only so far a club can go without change, we can attest to that. As can Wigan after many a great escape, latterly under Martinez - the positive there obviously being the FA cup win. Bournemouth went down and Howe walked away in good grace, but they didn't significantly change the playing staff, and they didn't really change the backroom staff. They hired from within, with an inexperienced manager in Tindall, ultimately replacing him with an inexperienced Woodgate. I'd argue there's quite a few high level issues going on at that club that have nothing to do with Eddie Howe's tenure.
With him coming here, I've said plenty of times that I'd be all for it. My issue is whether he'd be willing to join the circus. I certainly can't think of a better manager that would be reasonable, realistic, and potentially interested. Even if we do stay up.
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It was Sir Alex Ferguson who said that. He always made big changes to his Man Utd side every 5 years or so. Often even shipping out star plays. It worked and he was successful until the end.
As you mention, Klopp found that at Dortmund and Liverpool are now finding out the hard way as well (though the issues of covid e.g less transfers, more fixture congestion, lower tempo games etc have obviously also had a big impact). They probably need to replace at least two if not all 3 of Salah/Mane/Firmino to freshen things up. You'd think Klopp would have learnt from his Dortmund days.
The job Howe did at Bournemouth was incredible. He got them promoted well beyond there level. The stadium only holds 12,000, they're a league one club. He got them into the Premier League and kept them there for a number of years. They did need to freshen things up squad wise a bit more which was a mistake. Though I don't know how much of that was down to him and how much was down to the club. Also the transfer policy of signing below average English players for extortionate transfer fees contributed massively to the relegation. Again though that could be more down to the club than Howe.
I'd definitely take a chance on Howe. Though at the stage I'd take Carver back over Bruce. At least Howe might get us playing some better , more attacking football which will paper over some of the cracks until Ashley finally gets his wish and someone buys the club.