The Carabao Cup Final matchday thread

by **bodacious benny** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 4:18 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:52 pm
Other than about 4 inches ( ) I honestly don't think there's much difference between the two aerially, both are easily good enough to win anything in the air at full back and Burn's been caught out a couple of times by setpieces recently.

Regardless though Burn absolutely hasn't done much wrong, but having a defender who can defend wasn't good enough for some in Dummett's time 5 years ago, so to only have that in the position we're in isn't enough. We've been saying it for months, this idea that Burn allows Trippier to play higher is a nonsense, Targett is perfectly able to come inside in exactly the same way Tripper would if Targett went forward. In these games against "lesser" teams in particular we're far too one sided at times and Targett would add balance to turn some of these draws into wins.

Realistically while he played there a lot at Brighton I don't think any of us thought Burn would be playing left back for any real length of time.

That is certainly true.

by **Remember Colo** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:53 pm

Colly wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:52 pm
Other than about 4 inches ( ) I honestly don't think there's much difference between the two aerially, both are easily good enough to win anything in the air at full back and Burn's been caught out a couple of times by setpieces recently.

Regardless though Burn absolutely hasn't done much wrong, but having a defender who can defend wasn't good enough for some in Dummett's time 5 years ago, so to only have that in the position we're in isn't enough. We've been saying it for months, this idea that Burn allows Trippier to play higher is a nonsense, Targett is perfectly able to come inside in exactly the same way Tripper would if Targett went forward. In these games against "lesser" teams in particular we're far too one sided at times and Targett would add balance to turn some of these draws into wins.

Realistically while he played there a lot at Brighton I don't think any of us thought Burn would be playing left back for any real length of time.

Touche. I think I unfairly made the comparison because of how often people used to say Dummett should play CB instead - to which I didn't think he was good enough in the air for that.

by **Colly** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:52 pm

Other than about 4 inches ( <perv>

) I honestly don't think there's much difference between the two aerially, both are easily good enough to win anything in the air at full back and Burn's been caught out a couple of times by setpieces recently.

Regardless though Burn absolutely hasn't done much wrong, but having a defender who can defend wasn't good enough for some in Dummett's time 5 years ago, so to only have that in the position we're in isn't enough. We've been saying it for months, this idea that Burn allows Trippier to play higher is a nonsense, Targett is perfectly able to come inside in exactly the same way Tripper would if Targett went forward. In these games against "lesser" teams in particular we're far too one sided at times and Targett would add balance to turn some of these draws into wins.

Realistically while he played there a lot at Brighton I don't think any of us thought Burn would be playing left back for any real length of time.

by **Remember Colo** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 2:25 pm

Don Sholeone wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:26 am

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:22 pm
The weird thing is that while I like Burn he offers nothing more than Paul Dummett ever did and he was pilloried by some fans for years. Tells you what a run of form for the team as a whole can do.
In terms of ability they are probably at similar levels, difference with Burn is he's always available and he also offers more in terms of on the pitch leadership and presence.

I don't think burn has done too much wrong barring the last few games where his standard has dipped. But he's definitely a player we need to improve upon sooner rather than later.

Also for these positions we need to improve I'd be happy still with the likes of Burn etc as options off the bench. Whether they would be happy with that or not, I don't know.

I would say that Burn definitely adds more aerial defense than Dummett did, which was his weakest quality. And I don't disagree that he hasn't done much wrong, but now that our pressing isn't producing the number of goals it did early in the season, it's more important that we get more attacking balance from LB. I completely agree that Burn is worth keeping for the squad, as he's still my third choice CB from the lot, and would be a safe, reliable LB in a pinch too. Given his love for the club, I feel like he'd still be satisfied in that role were we to upgrade this summer.

by **bodacious benny** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:25 pm

There's definitely a strong argument to bring Targett back in for a bit, understandable that Howe kept a settled defence while it was bulletproof but now we've started to concede (albeit not many) it's time to freshen things up. If we play Targett it gives the opposition defence something else to think about as he'll give natural width and try to get forward and get balls into the box. I'm more than happy with Burn in the squad but he doesn't offer that. Opposition defenders can literally leave him unmarked when he's in their half.

by **Don Sholeone** » Wed Mar 01, 2023 11:26 am

Colly wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:22 pm
The weird thing is that while I like Burn he offers nothing more than Paul Dummett ever did and he was pilloried by some fans for years. Tells you what a run of form for the team as a whole can do.

In terms of ability they are probably at similar levels, difference with Burn is he's always available and he also offers more in terms of on the pitch leadership and presence.

I don't think burn has done too much wrong barring the last few games where his standard has dipped. But he's definitely a player we need to improve upon sooner rather than later.

Also for these positions we need to improve I'd be happy still with the likes of Burn etc as options off the bench. Whether they would be happy with that or not, I don't know.

by **Remember Colo** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:21 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 pm

UlversToon wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:06 pm
Their second goal has now been credited to Rashford.
Why? It was off target wasn’t it?

I don't think it was going to be off target, I just think Karius was going to save it.

by **seaside nipper** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 3:03 pm

biggeordiedave wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:05 am
Just need to keep the season on track and at least get something from it, even if it is that wanky European competition. To end such a positive season with absolutely nothing would be gutting, albeit very Newcastle United.

Fifteen games still to navigate, that’s 45 pts still up for grabs. Get our sharpness in finishing back. A fair few have gone right off the boil since the turn of the year. Bruno back is massive as we’ve been pretty gash without him. Getting the shape back and some forward looking creative passes is essential.
Hopefully we can reset and get focused on grabbing a good chunk of those points and at least consolidate top six finish.
That imo would be the mark of a tremendous season for the club, EH and the lads

by **biggeordiedave** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:05 am

Just need to keep the season on track and at least get something from it, even if it is that wanky European competition. To end such a positive season with absolutely nothing would be gutting, albeit very Newcastle United.

by **Colback's Orange Tufts** » Tue Feb 28, 2023 6:10 am

Remember Colo wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:59 pm

Colback's Orange Tufts wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:03 am
So gutted. Did anyone else find the subs a bit baffling? I like Burn alot, but if you are 2-0 down, surely bring on Targett or Ritchie or someone who will attack more as a left back
I'm not at all surprised he didn't make that sub, based on how much confidence he's shown in Burn since his purchase. But I've been banging the drum for more liberal use of Targett (when healthy) as the LB for matches we should be winning or when we need to chase goals. We're finally finding ways to get ASM back on the ball more, but it's no thanks to Burn, who more often than not plays as a 3rd CB when we go forward.

Even when he charged forward overlapping ASM is not going to pass to him

by **bodacious benny** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:24 pm

UlversToon wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:06 pm
Their second goal has now been credited to Rashford.

Why? It was off target wasn’t it?

by **Colly** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 8:22 pm

The weird thing is that while I like Burn he offers nothing more than Paul Dummett ever did and he was pilloried by some fans for years. Tells you what a run of form for the team as a whole can do.

by **Remember Colo** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:59 pm

Colback's Orange Tufts wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:03 am
So gutted. Did anyone else find the subs a bit baffling? I like Burn alot, but if you are 2-0 down, surely bring on Targett or Ritchie or someone who will attack more as a left back

I'm not at all surprised he didn't make that sub, based on how much confidence he's shown in Burn since his purchase. But I've been banging the drum for more liberal use of Targett (when healthy) as the LB for matches we should be winning or when we need to chase goals. We're finally finding ways to get ASM back on the ball more, but it's no thanks to Burn, who more often than not plays as a 3rd CB when we go forward.

by **UlversToon** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:06 pm

Their second goal has now been credited to Rashford.

by **bodacious benny** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:53 am

Blue & Maroon wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:31 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:20 am
Well, we'll very likely lose to Man C at the weekend and the doom and gloom merchants will be out in full force!
As long as we put up a bit of fight I'll be happy, then it's all about the remaining games and qualifying for europe in whatever form that takes.

Totally. We were over performing and it wasn't sustainable with the current squad. Get City out the way then hopefully back to winning ways against Wolves.

by **Blue & Maroon** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:31 am

Bodacious Benny wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:20 am
Well, we'll very likely lose to Man C at the weekend and the doom and gloom merchants will be out in full force!

As long as we put up a bit of fight I'll be happy, then it's all about the remaining games and qualifying for europe in whatever form that takes.

by **bodacious benny** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 10:20 am

Well, we'll very likely lose to Man C at the weekend and the doom and gloom merchants will be out in full force!

by **Caer Newydd** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 9:14 am

We won the Cup in fifty-five,
What a time to be alive,
Although aged just half a year,
My recollection is crystal clear,
A bowl of ground rice before the game,
At that time most meals were the same,
On the radio I listened in,
Confident that the Toon would win,
At the final whistle I was so happy,
Overcome with emotion I wet my nappy,
A quick change and still feeling great,
Downed a bottle of house white to celebrate,
Years later found it somewhat ironic,
The League Cup bore the name of that tonic,
So, sixty eight years further on,
Five more finals have been and gone,
Each its own sad disappointment,
Bereft of any crowning anointment,
Enough to make a grown-up cry,
But at least my undies have remained dry.

by **seaside nipper** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:27 am

Shame about yesterday, gutted but proud at the same time. We were kind of powder puff yesterday after they scored and didn’t look like getting back into it.
Now we need to re charge as there’s loads to play for This is just the start and yesterday was a taster of a final and hopefully look forward to more.
Got to use yesterday as a launch pad into remaining league fixtures.
Need to show we still have something about us and not dwell on disappointment.
Need to work on our finishing work though as we are looking very lightweight up top , well away from how we were a while back

by **Colback's Orange Tufts** » Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:03 am

So gutted. Did anyone else find the subs a bit baffling? I like Burn alot, but if you are 2-0 down, surely bring on Targett or Ritchie or someone who will attack more as a left back

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