Sandro Tonali Deal Confirmed? You bet!

[lassassinblanc]

Difference between him at Fagioli though is Tonali bet on his own team and on games he played in.

Win, lose or draw his actions on the pitch influence the active market for that game and later games.

It's why betting on your own team is banned exclusively under the rules.

Which he broke, I think he'll get more than Fagioli for this reason

It's not exclusive though, all match betting is banned. Backing your team to win is nowhere near the level of backing them to lose. The ultimate aim for a football player is to win so how does having a bet on winning influence the the game any differently than not having a bet the player isnt doing anything different to what he would normally do on the pitch.

If you bet on something regardless of the outcome, you are influencing the odds of that bet and further betting odds.

For example if I bet Newcastle to beat Palace for example.

It could change the odds for someone else making the same bet or the odds on Newcastle v Wolves or Palace v spurs for example.

That's why the rules are that you can't bet on things you have an influence in .

I'll add this is the same for players and staff BTW.

[Remember Colo]

To be fair it's classed as an addiction for a reason. There isn't a rational behind it, wouldn't just tell an alcoholic just don't drink or a drug addict to just stop shooting up. It's not as simple as that. I think he needs a punishment/consequence, but it has to be balanced and fair for the circumstances.

I can appreciate the terrors of addiction while still wanting an alcoholic locked up if they kill while drunk driving. I won't pretend to know how or if his gambling addiction specifically impacted him gambling on Milan vs. matches he wasn't involved in, and I recognize that every player's gambling charges and circumstances will vary, but this is one of the cardinal, longstanding rules of professional athletics, even if sports betting has seemingly wrapped its grubby, thieving hands around every part of life.

[Blue & Maroon]

To be fair it's classed as an addiction for a reason. There isn't a rational behind it, wouldn't just tell an alcoholic just don't drink or a drug addict to just stop shooting up. It's not as simple as that. I think he needs a punishment/consequence, but it has to be balanced and fair for the circumstances.

He needs the book thrown at him. Pulling the addiction card while betting on your own clubs games will not wash. Give them the proper support by all means but the bans given out need to be lengthy.

[Colly]

He should and will be punished, but the idea of the "addiction card" is ridiculously harsh. Thankfully it seems the players and the club are supporting him more than some fans.

[Blue & Maroon]

He should and will be punished, but the idea of the "addiction card" is ridiculously harsh. Thankfully it seems the players and the club are supporting him more than some fans.

Maybe it is harsh, gambling addiction is probably one of if not the worst addiction out there but to say you're an addict after the fact, and it happens a lot when players are caught gambling is always going to seem dodgy.

Maybe the league needs to implement some sort of gamblers anonymous, allowing players to come out with their gambling problems and get treatment without fear of punishment.

Given the leagues own addiction to betting sponsorships though it seems unlikely

[lassassinblanc]

Verdict expected today or tomorrow for this.

I'd say minimum he'll be out for the rest of the season

Worst case 3 years

[lassassinblanc]

Going by reports from Italy it will be 10 months

[Over The Line]

Going by reports from Italy it will be 10 months

Braced myself for a year. Assuming he's allowed to train at some stage during that he'll be back for early next season. Not horrendous all things considered.

[Chappy]

Going by reports from Italy it will be 10 months

How come it's more for Sandro?

[Colly]

More than Fagioli, or Toney? We haven't heard details yet, but it'll be down to what he's bet on and how many times. The early rumours were he'd bet on games he was involved in.

[NoteToSelf]

He's admitted to betting on games he was involved in (for his team to win). That makes it more serious than Toney (who bet for/against his team in matches where he was not selected).

Fagioli approached the authorities before being brought in for questioning; Tonali confessed and cooperated when approached, so more serious than Fagioli.

Pending full details, 10-11 months is probably in line with precedent.

Zaniolo if found guilty could see longer as he has denied the charges.

[bodacious benny]

You'd presume that after an initial exclusion period that he'd be allowed to train with the team after the first half of the ban or something, so if it was 10 months he'd be back in contention very early next season.

[Chappy]

10 month ban confirmed on Sky Sports

[overseasTOON]

10 month ban confirmed on Sky Sports

He looked good last night when he came on

[bodacious benny]

At least it was entirely as expected! Even if he'd got 7 months he'd have missed the rest of this season anyway.

[overseasTOON]

At least it was entirely as expected! Even if he'd got 7 months he'd have missed the rest of this season anyway.

Doesn't the end of the season depend on how many replays Liverpool get?

[Valentino's fast feet]

I wonder if in light of this ban we might see Lewis Hall have a run out in the middle? Apparently that's his preferred position before being slotted in atlb due to Chelsea's injury problems.

[Colly]

Nothing through yet so he could play tomorrow. With our current injury issues that could be a massive bonus, give Willock an extra game to get up to speed and maybe play him against Man Utd in the cup.

[Chappy]

Nothing through yet so he could play tomorrow. With our current injury issues that could be a massive bonus, give Willock an extra game to get up to speed and maybe play him against Man Utd in the cup.

Yeah that would be a big boost - fingers crossed!

Also on a separate note... I'm starting to get bored of all the "what about Toney?" bollocks circulating surrounding Sandro's ban.

[seaside nipper]

More than Fagioli, or Toney? We haven't heard details yet, but it'll be down to what he's bet on and how many times. The early rumours were he'd bet on games he was involved in.

As this whole Tonali betting scandal has unfurled and continues today I was just looking at Italian football in general and it’s clear that corruption is rife within the game, has been for decades. Match fixing, betting , bribery ….. it goes on. One thing that has not been mentioned is coercion, pressure being put on players to bet. I’m certain coercion has a place in all of this but unlikely ever to be brought forward. I’m not saying directly that Tonali has been forced to bet, though without doubt that threat is always there. His advisors have played the addict card , he has a compulsive problem, he has plea bargained. What the reality is we will never know. Genuinely feel for the guy on a football level, his emotional and mental health will need careful managing.

More widely in football generally I’d be prepared to suggest ( not bet ) that there are players in every team throughout the UK footballing pyramid who bet. They will put bets on via their mates, it’s undeniable and no rules about no betting is going to stop this.

It’s a massive problem and contradiction football has made for itself in the relationship ( if you call it that ) with the betting industry