Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by MultipleJesuses » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:54 am

It's insane how much a player can grow between 20-25, especially strikers. Armstrong definitely wasn't ready for us this year but he shouldn't be anywhere near last chance saloon either. Would have at least liked to have seen him in a few friendlies before loaning him out.
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Diego21 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:37 pm

He need to play and to grew up.

Sometimes, is better a player go on loan to a smaller club where he can play near to 30 matches in a season.

I liked so much Armstrong in youth football. Even, I could say that he isn't worse than Solanke. But I thinl his problem is that he is phisically the same player that he was with 17 years old. He need to get more weight because in the currently football is essential.

I suposse he have to fight with Le Fondre for a site in the FW and Bollton needs to hire another striker.
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by ALF » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:40 pm

Diego21 wrote:He need to play and to grew up.

Sometimes, is better a player go on loan to a smaller club where he can play near to 30 matches in a season.

I liked so much Armstrong in youth football. Even, I could say that he isn't worse than Solanke. But I thinl his problem is that he is phisically the same player that he was with 17 years old. He need to get more weight because in the currently football is essential.

I suposse he have to fight with Le Fondre for a site in the FW and Bollton needs to hire another striker.
That Messi fella is only about 7 stone, he's done alright.

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Diego21 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:58 pm

ALF wrote:
Diego21 wrote:He need to play and to grew up.

Sometimes, is better a player go on loan to a smaller club where he can play near to 30 matches in a season.

I liked so much Armstrong in youth football. Even, I could say that he isn't worse than Solanke. But I thinl his problem is that he is phisically the same player that he was with 17 years old. He need to get more weight because in the currently football is essential.

I suposse he have to fight with Le Fondre for a site in the FW and Bollton needs to hire another striker.
That Messi fella is only about 7 stone, he's done alright.
You can't compare... Messi is not striker, he doesn't fight with center backs for the possition. He always receive the ball in the center of the pitch and start to do magia.

You can't compare Messi with anybody in fact. Aarons is more or less the same weight and hight than Armstrong, but he is in the same situation than Messi. They are not CF.

You have to be a supergifted (as MIchael Owen) nowadays to didn't need use your body in terms of strong.
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Mag_Laad » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:30 pm

Diego21 wrote:
ALF wrote:
That Messi fella is only about 7 stone, he's done alright.
You can't compare... Messi is not striker, he doesn't fight with center backs for the possition. He always receive the ball in the center of the pitch and start to do magia.

You can't compare Messi with anybody in fact. Aarons is more or less the same weight and hight than Armstrong, but he is in the same situation than Messi. They are not CF.

You have to be a supergifted (as MIchael Owen) nowadays to didn't need use your body in terms of strong.
Thing is Owen had pace which made up for the fact he was a midget, as soon the injuries took over and he lost his pace he wasn't the same player. Armstrong ain't that fast either, he's a lightweight dwarf with no pace I can't see him making it at us tbf, I'd love to be wrong though. Hopefully he kicks on this season, he's at a good club to step it up too!

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Scalabrine » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:15 pm

Diego21 wrote:He need to play and to grew up.

Sometimes, is better a player go on loan to a smaller club where he can play near to 30 matches in a season.

I liked so much Armstrong in youth football. Even, I could say that he isn't worse than Solanke. But I thinl his problem is that he is phisically the same player that he was with 17 years old. He need to get more weight because in the currently football is essential.

I suposse he have to fight with Le Fondre for a site in the FW and Bollton needs to hire another striker.
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by ALF » Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:24 pm

Mag_Laad wrote:
Diego21 wrote:
You can't compare... Messi is not striker, he doesn't fight with center backs for the possition. He always receive the ball in the center of the pitch and start to do magia.

You can't compare Messi with anybody in fact. Aarons is more or less the same weight and hight than Armstrong, but he is in the same situation than Messi. They are not CF.

You have to be a supergifted (as MIchael Owen) nowadays to didn't need use your body in terms of strong.
Thing is Owen had pace which made up for the fact he was a midget, as soon the injuries took over and he lost his pace he wasn't the same player. Armstrong ain't that fast either, he's a lightweight dwarf with no pace I can't see him making it at us tbf, I'd love to be wrong though. Hopefully he kicks on this season, he's at a good club to step it up too!
Armstrong is lightning quick. Not sure where you get the idea he's slow from <scratch>

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Mag_Laad » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:22 am

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Mag_Laad wrote: Thing is Owen had pace which made up for the fact he was a midget, as soon the injuries took over and he lost his pace he wasn't the same player. Armstrong ain't that fast either, he's a lightweight dwarf with no pace I can't see him making it at us tbf, I'd love to be wrong though. Hopefully he kicks on this season, he's at a good club to step it up too!
Armstrong is lightning quick. Not sure where you get the idea he's slow from <scratch>
Maybe went too far saying no pace, but he's got nowt on what Owen had speed wise before the injuries definitely not lightning. Same with Dwight Gayle, people think he's rapid but he's only quickish off the mark. Neither of them have anything on Atsu or Townsend when he was here when it comes to pace, both on different levels.

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by MultipleJesuses » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:08 am

ALF wrote:
Mag_Laad wrote: Thing is Owen had pace which made up for the fact he was a midget, as soon the injuries took over and he lost his pace he wasn't the same player. Armstrong ain't that fast either, he's a lightweight dwarf with no pace I can't see him making it at us tbf, I'd love to be wrong though. Hopefully he kicks on this season, he's at a good club to step it up too!
Armstrong is lightning quick. Not sure where you get the idea he's slow from <scratch>
If I remember correctly Aarons posted something on social media a few years ago about him and Armstrong setting a record (and equal) time for Newcastle's speed tests.
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Colly » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:50 am

If you remember correctly Paul Dummett was the quickest...

I'm not convinced by Atsu's pace either to be honest, he's not exactly rapid.

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Bodacious Benny » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:49 am

Presumably Yedlin is our quickest player?
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by beatski » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:47 am

Colly wrote:If you remember correctly Paul Dummett was the quickest...

I'm not convinced by Atsu's pace either to be honest, he's not exactly rapid.
I remember that about Dummett as well. Top speed and acceleration are different things though (acceleration being more important in football IMO), Usain Bolt is always slowest off the line for instance.

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Graw » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:32 pm

Bodacious Benny wrote:Presumably Yedlin is our quickest player?
Easily him or maybe Murphy now having them both on the same side will be wicked pace but might make us a bit unbalanced as they will be up the pitch way before anyone else <laugh>

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by ALF » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:54 pm

Beatski wrote:
Colly wrote:If you remember correctly Paul Dummett was the quickest...

I'm not convinced by Atsu's pace either to be honest, he's not exactly rapid.
I remember that about Dummett as well. Top speed and acceleration are different things though (acceleration being more important in football IMO), Usain Bolt is always slowest off the line for instance.
Dummett was top speed, remember seeing it happen because it was him and Martial(I think) chasing a ball and they set the exact same speeds.

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Bodacious Benny » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:56 pm

So Dummett is the footballing equivalent of a Q-car <laugh>
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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by MultipleJesuses » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:45 pm

Colly wrote:If you remember correctly Paul Dummett was the quickest...

I'm not convinced by Atsu's pace either to be honest, he's not exactly rapid.
No I meant the speed tests they do in pre-season. I do remember the Dummett stat. Which meant absolutely nothing because Sol Campbell was also top of that list a few years prior

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Toondes » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:50 pm

Scored on his debut tonight
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Post by beatski » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:35 pm

Not good enough get rid

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by Colly » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:55 pm

Just to point out that 'he's just scored against Crewe's league cup side so he must be good' is just as daft as writing him off early. There is a balance to be had here...

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Re: Armstrong joins Bolton on loan until January

Post by ALF » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:23 pm

Nice to see him score on his first start though. Nice to hit the ground running.

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