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lassassinblanc wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:26 am

Benefits of my formation we don't have to play Manquillo

That is a bonus but still not worth the risk I'd say. Could give Sterry an opportunity to show if he's good enough for this level. The other option would be Hayden, not his natural position but Rafa has used him at RB before and he probably would be a bit more solid than Manquillo.

I almost don't want to say it, but Manquillo isn't that bad that we have to play someone else out of position instead of him. If he was we might as well tear up his contract now...

Colly wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:06 pm

I almost don't want to say it, but Manquillo isn't that bad that we have to play someone else out of position instead of him. If he was we might as well tear up his contract now...

This.

And on a different note, as much as I'm glad Joselu got the goal, he had an entire season last year to prove himself, and I don't think it's unfair to say he proved he wasn't a starting quality striker. I'd add, I liked the pressure Rondon put them under, and I think some people overstate how difficult it is for a striker to "learn Rafa's system".

Remember Colo wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:09 pm

And on a different note, as much as I'm glad Joselu got the goal, he had an entire season last year to prove himself, and I don't think it's unfair to say he proved he wasn't a starting quality striker. I'd add, I liked the pressure Rondon put them under, and I think some people overstate how difficult it is for a striker to "learn Rafa's system".

This, Rondon has to start vs Cardiff.

TBC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:04 pm

Remember Colo wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:09 pm

And on a different note, as much as I'm glad Joselu got the goal, he had an entire season last year to prove himself, and I don't think it's unfair to say he proved he wasn't a starting quality striker. I'd add, I liked the pressure Rondon put them under, and I think some people overstate how difficult it is for a striker to "learn Rafa's system".

This, Rondon has to start vs Cardiff.

I don't think he will though. I actually think it would be harsh to drop Joselu, he got next to no service against Tottenham and still scored.

Ramone wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:53 pm

TBC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:04 pm

This, Rondon has to start vs Cardiff.

I don't think he will though. I actually think it would be harsh to drop Joselu, he got next to no service against Tottenham and still scored.

Never mind that, when is Ashley f***ing off?!

Ramone wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:53 pm

TBC wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:04 pm

This, Rondon has to start vs Cardiff.

I don't think he will though. I actually think it would be harsh to drop Joselu, he got next to no service against Tottenham and still scored.

I don't think he will either, and it was a good finish. But I think the lineup should be based on who is most likely to score, and there's enough evidence to suggest that goal from him is one of what most likely won't be many. And I thought the subs managed to put more pressure on Spurs, but whether they deserve credit for facilitating more service, or it was just a case of us pressing more while trailing late in the game, that's hard to say.

#IfJoseluGoes(AndStartsVsCardiff)WeGo?

TJR wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:43 am

lassassinblanc wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:26 am

Benefits of my formation we don't have to play Manquillo

That is a bonus but still not worth the risk I'd say. Could give Sterry an opportunity to show if he's good enough for this level.

the 22 year old that couldnt get a game for crewe alexandria in league 2? sounds pretty risky to me

Beatski wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:45 pm

TJR wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:43 am

That is a bonus but still not worth the risk I'd say. Could give Sterry an opportunity to show if he's good enough for this level.

the 22 year old that couldnt get a game for crewe alexandria in league 2? sounds pretty risky to me

There's often a reason players like him have yet to get the opportunity to prove they're good enough for this level.

Remember Colo wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:11 am

Beatski wrote: ↑

Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:45 pm

the 22 year old that couldnt get a game for crewe alexandria in league 2? sounds pretty risky to me

There's often a reason players like him have yet to get the opportunity to prove they're good enough for this level.

I hate to be the one who says it, but Dummett was in a very similar situation at 23 but now finds himself at first choice. It may yet happen.

At 23 Dummett had played in the Premier League for three seasons, how is that a similar situation?

Colly wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:50 am

At 23 Dummett had played in the Premier League for three seasons, how is that a similar situation?

Dummett was 22 when he broke into the first team.

Yeah lets completely write the lad off before he gets a chance.

Everyone develops at different times. Just because you haven't established yourself by the time your 20 doesn't mean you never will. Look at Jamie Vardy he was playing non-league until he was 25 and has now won a premier league title, played/scored for his country and broke a premier league record for goals scored in consecutive games.

Sterry is obviously rated by the coaching staff as he was handed a squad number and a place in the 25 man squad. If he wasn't he'd have been left out along with Aarons, Saviet and Lazaar. We only named 24 players as well so it's not just a case of naming an unwanted player for the sake of naming 25 as one of Aarons, Lazaar or Saviet would also have been included.

Lets wait until he's at least been handed a chance before writing him off.

jpg wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:09 am

Colly wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:50 am

At 23 Dummett had played in the Premier League for three seasons, how is that a similar situation?

Dummett was 22 when he broke into the first team.

Didn't realise he was a September child...

Regardless he'd managed a couple of seasons as at least Premier League backup before he'd turned 24, with some loan spells beforehand. I'm not writing Sterry off, but his history doesn't scream late developer, there are players who break through late but it's usually that they haven't been picked up rather than being at a big club and slowly coming good.

I must say this conversation is very similar to the one west brom fans are having right now, wondering how they let Kemar Roofe get away from them and he's now looking good at Leeds. Turns out he got better, figures.

I wasn't implying Sterry should be written off and sold. But that he should probably prove himself somewhere, whether it be on loan somewhere, or in training, before we presume that he must be better than a player that has PL experience. I get that Manquillo isn't great, but there's a huge jump for Sterry from a few appearances in League 2 to the Prem. If he isn't given that opportunity, I'm willing to trust that Rafa has seen evidence to justify that.

I've just caught the highlights as was busy over the weekend. Really encouraging that we were making chances against the team who over the last few seasons have had one of the best defences in the league. Carry on doing that against the likes of Cardiff and we'll be fine. Disappointing goals to concede, especially the second one but still plenty of positives to take from that. Joselu looked great, found space nicely for his goal, and hell of a pass to Kenedy, who knew he had that in his locker! Had he not been up against a defender as quick as Sanchez then maybe he'd have been through on goal for another.

Scalabrine wrote: ↑

Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:54 pm

¿Any news about Yedlinny?

The club can confirm that the knee injury sustained by DeAndre Yedlin on Saturday was not serious.
The USA international defender limped off towards the end of United’s season opener against Tottenham Hotspur.
However, he has been assessed and undergone treatment this week and is likely to resume training with his team-mates shortly.

^ That's good news at least! It looked really bad at the time - despite him at least limping off.