Toon Takeover Thread - Chopra should be champing at the bit

[Somebodys pinched my sombrero]

Your point seems to be to put morals over the club. Am I wrong? I don’t agree with what happens there, but are the potential new owners connected with it? Will it stop me supporting Newcastle? Will it ****.

Will it stop me loving my club? No. Will it stop me going to games, celebrating wins, cups etc? Yes.

What happens in Saudi is completely incompatible with my world view.

That’s your view, fair enough. All about opinions.

[Remember Colo]

Again just proving my point. Putting the success of your football club over morals. Make the stand, be the difference. You care more about your football clubs success and put your hatred over Ashley over any doubts about being owned by one of the must disgusting regimes on the planet.

Money in football isn't the evil, it's needed and always has been since the 1950's for success, where it's coming from is the problem.

So you’ll stop supporting the club if the takeover goes through?
Man Cities support grew when they got took over. Do you think they give a toss?

I think some fans do. But at least for me, I think there's a difference between Sheikh Mansour and UAE, and the royal family of Saudi Arabia. At least with respect to how Saudi Arabia wields power, its role in international military conflicts, etc. But I absolutely recognise those lines will vary for everyone (as is fair), and I won't pretend to be an expert either.

[Donkey Toon]

For those who think that the Saudi regime owning the club hasn't crossed the line of unacceptability. I'd be interested to know where the line actually stands?

Drug money ok? Organised crime? How about money from people trafficking or forced underage prostitution? Is there a line at all or is it a case of "f*** it we've got money enough to compete with Man City or Liverpool, I don't care where it comes from."?

Because as bad as those examples are the Saudi regime has been guilty of a whole list of things just as bad and there are loads of people who just don't seem to care and I find that totally incomprehensible. I genuinely want to know what money would be unacceptable?

[Blue & Maroon]

For those who think that the Saudi regime owning the club hasn't crossed the line of unacceptability. I'd be interested to know where the line actually stands?

Drug money ok? Organised crime? How about money from people trafficking or forced underage prostitution? Is there a line at all or is it a case of "f*** it we've got money enough to compete with Man City or Liverpool, I don't care where it comes from."?

Because as bad as those examples are the Saudi regime has been guilty of a whole list of things just as bad and there are loads of people who just don't seem to care and I find that totally incomprehensible. I genuinely want to know what money would be unacceptable?

I don't think people care where the line is about money being unacceptable. They want you/us to find a club in which the money is completely clean.

[TJR]

What point?

The one that Sheffield United were all devastated at promotion to the Premier League and turned their backs on the club as they didn't want to be associated with Saudi money?

Were Wolves fans refusing to celebrate qualifying for Europe until China improves its human rights record?

Rather than celebrating another league title last season were Man City fans instead protesting against the ownership of Sheikh Mansour?

Were Chelsea fans demanding Abramovich served jail time for his crimes rather than celebrating their first Premier League win back in 2005?

Again just proving my point. Putting the success of your football club over morals. Make the stand, be the difference. You care more about your football clubs success and put your hatred over Ashley over any doubts about being owned by one of the must disgusting regimes on the planet.

Money in football isn't the evil, it's needed and always has been since the 1950's for success, where it's coming from is the problem.

Are you aware of the number of large companies Saudi Arabia have investments in? This would just be another.

Twitter, Snapchat, Uber, Tesla, Slack, Accor Hotels etc are all companies benefiting from Saudi investment. Presumably your morals stop you using any of these?

What about petrol/diesel refined from Saudi oil? Do you ethically source your own petrol?

What about the UK government? Presumably you've moved out of the UK as it would be morally unacceptable to live in and support a country that supplies Saudi Arabia with arms?

If you looked deep enough into a lot of large companies most people use on a regular basis you'll be able to find links to Gulf states or China etc.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the likes of Sheff U, Wolves, Man City and Chelsea fans shouldn't celebrate success as the club owners don't morally align with them.

It's not about putting the success of your football club over morals. The two are completely seperate issues. Issues of morals, politics etc shouldn't be mixed with football.

Football is a sport, a form of entertainment, an escapism. People are going to love and support their football clubs regardless of the ownership of the club and rightly so.

Whether the owner of Newcastle is Mike Ashley, Freddy Shepherd, a Saudi Investment group or whoever, it is irrelevant. I support Newcastle United, not the chairman or the owner. That'll never change.

[Blue & Maroon]

Again just proving my point. Putting the success of your football club over morals. Make the stand, be the difference. You care more about your football clubs success and put your hatred over Ashley over any doubts about being owned by one of the must disgusting regimes on the planet.

Money in football isn't the evil, it's needed and always has been since the 1950's for success, where it's coming from is the problem.

Are you aware of the number of large companies Saudi Arabia have investments in? This would just be another.

Twitter, Snapchat, Uber, Tesla, Slack, Accor Hotels etc are all companies benefiting from Saudi investment. Presumably your morals stop you using any of these?

What about petrol/diesel refined from Saudi oil? Do you ethically source your own petrol?

What about the UK government? Presumably you've moved out of the UK as it would be morally unacceptable to live in and support a country that supplies Saudi Arabia with arms?

If you looked deep enough into a lot of large companies most people use on a regular basis you'll be able to find links to Gulf states or China etc.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the likes of Sheff U, Wolves, Man City and Chelsea fans shouldn't celebrate success as the club owners don't morally align with them.

It's not about putting the success of your football club over morals. The two are completely seperate issues. Issues of morals, politics etc shouldn't be mixed with football.

Football is a sport, a form of entertainment, an escapism. People are going to love and support their football clubs regardless of the ownership of the club and rightly so.

Whether the owner of Newcastle is Mike Ashley, Freddy Shepherd, a Saudi Investment group or whoever, it is irrelevant. I support Newcastle United, not the chairman or the owner. That'll never change.

Your point is daft. I couldn't live my life if I didn't use products from bad regimes. ( Anyway i only use twitter out of the companies you named). I try to eat vegy, buy clothes from fairtrade brands etc. You're applying standards that are impossible to adhere to and you're requiring perfection otherwise somehow my point isn't valid (?)

I can however stop my football club and my city being associated with a extremist, fascist regime. I'm a paid up Lib Dem for the past year, I know exactly where my position is on our countries current relationship with Saudi is.

If you want to have a debate on the UK and Saudi then I'm happy to have it, why we should support Saudi over Iran in a wider geopolitical context, happy to have that debate, it's not as simple as my view on Saudi links with our club i.e. f*** them.

[TJR]

Are you aware of the number of large companies Saudi Arabia have investments in? This would just be another.

Twitter, Snapchat, Uber, Tesla, Slack, Accor Hotels etc are all companies benefiting from Saudi investment. Presumably your morals stop you using any of these?

What about petrol/diesel refined from Saudi oil? Do you ethically source your own petrol?

What about the UK government? Presumably you've moved out of the UK as it would be morally unacceptable to live in and support a country that supplies Saudi Arabia with arms?

If you looked deep enough into a lot of large companies most people use on a regular basis you'll be able to find links to Gulf states or China etc.

It's ridiculous to suggest that the likes of Sheff U, Wolves, Man City and Chelsea fans shouldn't celebrate success as the club owners don't morally align with them.

It's not about putting the success of your football club over morals. The two are completely seperate issues. Issues of morals, politics etc shouldn't be mixed with football.

Football is a sport, a form of entertainment, an escapism. People are going to love and support their football clubs regardless of the ownership of the club and rightly so.

Whether the owner of Newcastle is Mike Ashley, Freddy Shepherd, a Saudi Investment group or whoever, it is irrelevant. I support Newcastle United, not the chairman or the owner. That'll never change.

Your point is daft. I couldn't live my life if I didn't use products from bad regimes. ( Anyway i only use twitter out of the companies you named). I try to eat vegy, buy clothes from fairtrade brands etc. You're applying standards that are impossible to adhere to and you're requiring perfection otherwise somehow my point isn't valid (?)

I can however stop my football club and my city being associated with a extremist, fascist regime. I'm a paid up Lib Dem for the past year, I know exactly where my position is on our countries current relationship with Saudi is.

If you want to have a debate on the UK and Saudi then I'm happy to have it, why we should support Saudi over Iran in a wider geopolitical context, happy to have that debate, it's not as simple as my view on Saudi links with our club i.e. f*** them.

That is my point though, it is daft and it would be impossible.

When I fill my car up I can't pick and choose the source of the fuel and I also can't pick and choose who owns the football club I support.

I'll pass on the UK / Saudi debate. It's too late and I haven't read very far into it bar what gets filtered into mainstream news.

[beatski]

That is my point though, it is daft and it would be impossible.

does that mean you shouldnt try at all where you can

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I genuinely really hope this falls through though, I've always been against the idea of the trillionaire sugardaddy owner in general, but adding the extra context just hugely sours me on it.

This sums it up best for me. I want Ashley gone as much as the next guy but this just doesn’t sit well with me.

Why can’t we just have nice things?

[Blue & Maroon]

That is my point though, it is daft and it would be impossible.

does that mean you shouldnt try at all where you can

[TJR]

That is my point though, it is daft and it would be impossible.

does that mean you shouldnt try at all where you can

It depends if there is an option of a better alternative and if you have the time to research the source of the investment in every company you purchase from / service you use.

Personally I'm not going to stop using twitter because it has received Saudi investment. Nor am I going to stop driving because I can't be sure of the source of my fuel. I'll support Newcastle United regardless of who the owner is.

There is a middle ground between boycotting everything linked to a bad regime (which is impossible) and actively supporting / donating to bad regimes. I'm pretty sure we're all somewhere within that middle ground.

We're just all at different points on the line between the two extremes.

If there was the option to buy the same product for the same price from two diffrent companies, one company owned by an investment fund for a bad regime and one owned by an ethical investment group. Most would buy from the ethical company, myself included.

It's never normally that simple though and it isn't possible to make all decisions based solely on moral principles. Other factors come into play.

I'm not going to stop supporting my football club because of a factor outside of my control. For me it's at a similar point on the middle ground line as not driving because I can't control the source of my fuel. I have no control/choice over where the oil comes from and never will. I have no control/choice over who owns my football club and never will.

[bodacious benny]

Honestly, I go away from TF from one night and look what I have to catch up on

[Don Sholeone]

Honestly, I go away from TF from one night and look what I have to catch up on

This discussion is basically comparable to vegans and meat eaters, both are 100% behind their choice but will still argue to convince the other half, I'm in the camp of wanting to just enjoy my bacon sandwich

[Colly]

Honestly, I go away from TF from one night and look what I have to catch up on

This discussion is basically comparable to vegans and meat eaters, both are 100% behind their choice but will still argue to convince the other half, I'm in the camp of wanting to just enjoy my bacon sandwich

I honestly don't think it's that bad, Twitter is a mess but I do think this board has nice people on who can cope with a complicated situation.

[biggeordiedave]

This discussion is basically comparable to vegans and meat eaters, both are 100% behind their choice but will still argue to convince the other half, I'm in the camp of wanting to just enjoy my bacon sandwich

I honestly don't think it's that bad, Twitter is a mess but I do think this board has nice people on who can cope with a complicated situation.

f*** you!

[Donkey Toon]

Honestly, I go away from TF from one night and look what I have to catch up on

This discussion is basically comparable to vegans and meat eaters, both are 100% behind their choice but will still argue to convince the other half, I'm in the camp of wanting to just enjoy my bacon sandwich

I'm chortling at the irony that in your analogy I would be deemed one of the most ardent vegans … and yet I had a bacon sandwich for breakfast.

[Colly]

I honestly don't think it's that bad, Twitter is a mess but I do think this board has nice people on who can cope with a complicated situation.

**** you!

I didn't say everyone...

[Hjl]

Apparently they are talking about bringing back Rafa. That would be incredibly unfair. Bruce has done a better job this season than Rafa did last season if you ask me.

[biggeordiedave]

The best part is that this is all total bollocks. No takeover, no Saudi Prince, no Rafa, no Sancho...nothing. It's not happening.

[Toondes]

Apparently they are talking about bringing back Rafa. That would be incredibly unfair. Bruce has done a better job this season than Rafa did last season if you ask me.

Better pointS wise but the football has been even worse imo. I know football is all about points but I haven’t really enjoyed a game this season barring the first half against West Ham .